{"id":861,"date":"2008-09-27T21:22:42","date_gmt":"2008-09-27T19:22:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/airap.asso.fr\/?p=861"},"modified":"2020-05-24T10:40:26","modified_gmt":"2020-05-24T08:40:26","slug":"plaidoyer-pour-les-zones-jaunesde-richard-lambert-expert-en-avalanches","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/airap.asso.fr\/?p=861","title":{"rendered":"Plaidoyer pour les \u00ab\u00a0zones jaunes\u00a0\u00bbde Richard Lambert, Expert en avalanches"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\u00ab\u00a0Pour une approche lucide, professionnelle et d\u00e9passionn\u00e9e de ce dossier sensible\u00a0\u00bb<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\">par\u00a0Richard Lambert, Expert en avalanches<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>Richard Lambert commente l&rsquo;article de l&rsquo;AIRAP : \u00ab\u00a0la position politique de M. Saddier, pr\u00e9sident de l&rsquo;ANEM\u00a0\u00bb, r\u00e9cemment publi\u00e9 sur ce site.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<div class=\"su-row\">\n<div class=\"su-column su-column-size-2-3\"><div class=\"su-column-inner su-u-clearfix su-u-trim\">\n<p><b>PLAIDOYER POUR LES \u00ab ZONES JAUNES \u00bb<\/b> \u00ab\u00a0Pour une approche lucide, professionnelle et d\u00e9passionn\u00e9e de ce dossier sensible\u00a0\u00bb A quelques jours peut-\u00eatre du moment o\u00f9 l\u2019arbitrage aux plus hauts niveaux de l\u2019Etat doit \u00eatre rendu sur les \u00ab zones jaunes \u00bb, il est n\u00e9cessaire de faire le point : quels sont les arguments officiels des d\u00e9tracteurs de ce concept et sont-ils fond\u00e9s ? Pourquoi faut-il conserver les zones jaunes dans les PPR avalanches et comment les mettre en place le plus s\u00e9rieusement possible ? <b>1 \u2013<u> A la lecture du site de l\u2019AIRAP sur ce sujet, les arguments des d\u00e9tracteurs apparaissent au nombre de 4<\/u><\/b> : 1-1\/ le r\u00e9chauffement climatique fait que les risques d\u2019avalanches vont diminuer C\u2019est exactement le pi\u00e8ge dans lequel il ne faut pas tomber ! Remarque liminaire : pour plusieurs observateurs, les ph\u00e9nom\u00e8nes extr\u00eames tendraient \u00e0 s\u2019accentuer, spatialement et en terme de fr\u00e9quence de survenance. En ce qui concerne les avalanches, ce n\u2019est pas dans une s\u00e9rie d\u2019hivers difficiles, o\u00f9 les risques seront omnipr\u00e9sents, que l\u2019on sera le plus surpris par un \u00e9v\u00e9nement majeur. Il nous faut bien plus redouter un hiver violent , aux conditions nivo-m\u00e9t\u00e9orologiques \u00ab exceptionnelles \u00bb, perdu dans une d\u00e9cennie d\u2019hivers d\u00e9cevants en enneigement, qui auront pour effet imm\u00e9diat d\u2019endormir notre vigilance. Les avalanches les plus dangereuses sont celles que l\u2019on a oubli\u00e9es\u2026. C\u2019est ce qui a fait dire \u00e0 plusieurs officiels au sujet de l\u2019avalanche de Montroc qu\u2019on ne l\u2019avait jamais vue ! Rappelons enfin que le 2\u00e8me \u00ab hiver du si\u00e8cle \u00bb (1999, apr\u00e8s 1951) est survenu \u00e0 la fin de la d\u00e9cennie la plus chaude de ce m\u00eame XX\u00e8me si\u00e8cle. 1-2\/ On ne sait pas \u00e9vacuer 10 000 personnes La difficult\u00e9 d\u2019\u00e9vacuer (si tant est que cela soit la seule solution retenue et obligatoire ! ) ne peut \u00eatre un argument recevable et raisonnable pour refuser les zones jaunes : ce serait irresponsable de s\u2019arr\u00eater \u00e0 ce pr\u00e9texte. En moins de 48 h aux USA, on sait \u00e9vacuer 1 \u00e0 2 millions de personnes, pour fuir un cyclone ; nous parlons ici, en principe, de quelques centaines. D\u2019autre part, les alertes de M\u00e9t\u00e9o France sont fiables, souvent donn\u00e9es 24 \u00e0 48 h avant le pic de la crise avalancheuse (ce fut le cas en f\u00e9vrier 1999) et cela nous le laisse le temps de pr\u00e9venir et d\u2019intervenir , si des PCS efficaces ont \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9labor\u00e9s \u00ab \u00e0 froid \u00bb, bien avant la crise. Reste et c\u2019est bien l\u2019objet des zones jaunes, \u00e0 d\u00e9finir avec pr\u00e9cision <u>o\u00f9 <\/u>agir, ce qui simplifiera le travail des services concern\u00e9s, qui auront \u00e0 \u0153uvrer dans des d\u00e9lais tr\u00e8s courts. Cela rendra aussi l\u2019\u00e9lu plus cr\u00e9dible dans la d\u00e9marche s\u00e9curitaire qu\u2019il doit \u00e0 ses administr\u00e9s. 1-3\/ ces zones jaunes ont \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9finies n\u2019importe comment. En France se dit expert qui veut La 1\u00e8re affirmation est erron\u00e9e , la seconde n\u2019engage que son auteur. Pour Chamonix par exemple, les zones jaunes montrent surtout des limites historiquement connues, \u00e9tablies d\u2019apr\u00e8s l\u2019\u00e9tude d\u2019archives officielles, v\u00e9rifi\u00e9es, parfois m\u00eame \u00e0 partir de photographies . C\u2019est plut\u00f4t un Al\u00e9a Maximal Vraisemblable H<u>istorique<\/u> , peu discutable, qu\u2019une zone d\u00e9finie \u00ab \u00e0 dire d\u2019expert \u00bb plus subjective peut-\u00eatre aux yeux de certains. Quant aux experts, il semble important de chercher \u00e0 s\u2019appuyer sur des professionnels, sp\u00e9cialistes de cartographie <u>et<\/u> de zonage, dont dipl\u00f4mes, titres, et exp\u00e9rience sont incontestables et pr\u00e9sentent une garantie. Pourquoi pas un coll\u00e8ge d\u2019experts ? 1-4\/ L\u2019Etat vise \u00e0 la mainmise du foncier de nos communes Ce point de vue me semble pessimiste ; mais il faut en effet \u00eatre, tous (usagers, techniciens, \u00e9lus), tr\u00e8s vigilants. En effet, selon moi, les zones jaunes <u>doivent rester constructibles<\/u> telles que d\u00e9finies dans le guide m\u00e9thodologique PPRA 2004, avec la judicieuse diff\u00e9renciation entre ARC (Al\u00e9a de R\u00e9f\u00e9rence Centennal) pour les biens (le b\u00e2ti) , et AMV pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 des personnes. Raison de plus pour donner aux zones jaunes leur vraie et juste place sans attendre, plut\u00f4t que de les combattre ! <b><u>2 \u2013 Pourquoi les zones jaunes ?<\/u><\/b> 2-1\/ Elles constituent <u>la r\u00e9ponse \u00e9vidente<\/u> et attendue apr\u00e8s le drame de Montroc en 1999, o\u00f9 l\u2019on n\u2019avait pas su rep\u00e9rer spatialement un \u00e9v\u00e9nement qualifi\u00e9 de paroxysmal. Elles sont<u> une r\u00e9alit\u00e9 <\/u>d\u00e9sormais : le concept existe depuis plusieurs d\u00e9cennies en Suisse, et il est issu en France de la r\u00e9flexion officielle post-Montroc (voir les pr\u00e9conisations des Inspecteurs G\u00e9n\u00e9raux de l\u2019Environnement dans leur rapport du 9 octobre 2000). 2-2\/ Elles <u>ne nuisent pas au foncier<\/u> : Elles n\u2019interf\u00e8rent pas du tout avec les classiques zones rouges et bleues, puisqu\u2019elles sont d\u00e9finies justement pour cartographier uniquement des \u00e9v\u00e8nements tr\u00e8s rares , c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire pour lesquels la r\u00e9f\u00e9rence \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9v\u00e9nement de probabilit\u00e9 d\u2019occurrence centennale n\u2019est plus suffisante. Rappelons que la protection des biens (b\u00e2ti) est et reste d\u00e9finie selon l\u2019Al\u00e9a de R\u00e9f\u00e9rence Centennal. Avec cette distinction, sauf cas tr\u00e8s particuliers, les zones jaunes \u00e9viteront l\u2019extension des zones rouges. Mais \u00e0 l\u2019inverse, en cas de disparition officielle des zones jaunes et donc de possibilit\u00e9s ultimes d\u2019\u00e9vacuation efficace, une catastrophe entra\u00eenerait tr\u00e8s probablement un tour de vis g\u00e9n\u00e9ral et un renforcement\u2026. des zones rouges. 2-3\/ Elles visent \u00e0 <u>am\u00e9liorer la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 des personnes<\/u> : &#8211; elles permettent de r\u00e9pondre plus efficacement au risque le plus d\u00e9licat \u00e0 g\u00e9rer : les avalanches majeures dont la probabilit\u00e9 de retour est faible. En g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, cela concerne quelques jours par hiver et peu d\u2019hivers par d\u00e9cennie. &#8211; elles permettent d\u2019identifier de la fa\u00e7on la plus juste possible, les trajectoires r\u00e9put\u00e9es \u00ab impr\u00e9visibles \u00bb et les extensions longitudinales \u00ab surprenantes \u00bb (d\u00e9passant de plusieurs dizaines de m\u00e8tres les limites commun\u00e9ment admises) , de les cartographier et donc de rep\u00e9rer, puis de pr\u00e9venir les usagers potentiellement expos\u00e9s. 2-4\/ elles sont l\u00e0 <u>pour aider les \u00e9lus<\/u> , responsables de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et gestionnaires du risque, et non pas pour leur nuire ou complexifier leurs missions et leurs d\u00e9cisions. Il en va de la qualit\u00e9 des PCS, de la cr\u00e9dibilit\u00e9 du Maire dans ses prises de d\u00e9cision et dans sa volont\u00e9 de g\u00e9rer au mieux la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sur le territoire de sa commune. Rappelons que les \u00e9lus devront prendre en compte toutes les informations en leur possession directe , ou disponibles. Occulter les zones jaunes les placerait en situation dangereuse en cas de drame. <b><\/b><b>3 &#8211; <u>Comment les mettre en place ?<\/u><\/b> 3-1\/ Pour \u00eatre cr\u00e9dibles, accept\u00e9es par les riverains et les \u00e9lus, elles doivent concr\u00e8tement \u00eatre <u>\u00e9tablies par des professionnels<\/u>, imp\u00e9rativement selon le principe du <u>double regard<\/u> (services instructeurs de l\u2019Etat <b>et<\/b> experts priv\u00e9s). Cela afin d\u2019assurer la fiabilit\u00e9 de leur trac\u00e9. Elles doivent \u00eatre les plus exactes possible vis \u00e0 vis de l\u2019\u00e9v\u00e9nement majeur ou extr\u00eame. Pour cela, elles peuvent \u00eatre d\u00e9termin\u00e9es selon 3 m\u00e9thodes ind\u00e9pendamment les unes des autres ou les 3 ensemble : &#8211; informations historiques fiables, sur 150-200 ans voire plus, &#8211; mod\u00e9lisations num\u00e9riques, &#8211; \u00ab \u00e0 dire d\u2019expert \u00bb selon son exp\u00e9rience et une expertise crois\u00e9e historique<b> et<\/b> naturaliste 3-2\/ Leur connaissance officiellement organis\u00e9e (zones jaunes en cartes r\u00e8glementaires) sous-tend alors <u>la notion de risque accept\u00e9<\/u> par les populations concern\u00e9es. Un citoyen d\u00fbment inform\u00e9 de tous les risques r\u00e9els auxquels il est expos\u00e9, acceptera plus facilement les d\u00e9cisions impos\u00e9es dans des circonstances \u00ab exceptionnelles \u00bb. A l\u2019inverse, tenu dans l\u2019ignorance du <b>vrai<\/b> risque qui le mena\u00e7ait (et qui pouvait \u00eatre connu et dit), il serait en droit de rechercher toutes les responsabilit\u00e9s en cas de catastrophe. 3-3\/ Leur mise en pratique impose de fait une <u>participation plus nette de l\u2019Etat<\/u>, \u00e0 plusieurs niveaux, dans la prise de d\u00e9cision d\u00e9licate des \u00e9lus. On ne peut plus rester dans la dichotomie actuelle, un peu simpliste, qui g\u00e9n\u00e8re d\u2019ailleurs une partie du malaise : l\u2019Etat affiche le risque, le Maire g\u00e8re le risque. 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